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Rural and Remote Education - Victoria

Rural

and Remote Education - Victoria

Public meeting in Bairnsdale,

11 November 1999 - notes

School Focused Youth

Service Co-ordinator

Part of the Victorian

government's Youth Suicide Strategy aiming to ensure that community services

reach young people at risk. The project commenced with 40 officers across

the State - $50,000 per year in each region - in October 1998. Unmet needs

in East Gippsland are

  • Gippsland Child

    and Adolescent Mental Health Service is severely understaffed resulting

    in a waiting list of 5 or 6 weeks for non-emergency services. The Service

    has 3 staff and assesses it needs another 1 staff member.

  • There is no adolescent

    psychiatrist within 2 hours drive although the funding is available

    to employ one. There are 2 beds for adolescent psychiatry in the Gippsland

    region so that adolescents are often accommodated with adults. A part-time

    psychologist visits from Melbourne.

  • Centre Against

    Sexual Assault has only one worker for adolescents spending only 0.2

    of her time in the area east of Sale resulting in several months waiting

    time for all but emergency cases of adolescent sexual assault. The police

    offer the only after-hours service.

  • No special education

    service exists outside the school system for young people with intellectual

    disabilities. The special school is at Sale. There is no facility for

    overnight stay so it's a daily commute. A lot of children from Lake

    Tyers and Lakes Entrance commute to Sale on a daily basis.

  • Funding for integration

    aides for students with disabilities is extremely difficult to access,

    particularly for psychological disabilities.

  • Low numbers of

    child protection staff in light of the area to be covered and the high

    incidence of reporting resulting in long delays in responding and lack

    of follow-up. Low priority is given to verbal and emotional abuse allegations.

    There is also a high turnover staff and a high proportion of new graduates.

Integration Aides

A primary school

principal reported difficulty getting children assessed for integration

because of the limited services available through the Education Department.

Assessment workers cover from Bairnsdale through to the border (with NSW).

Their job is not only to assess children for integration funding but also

to counsel children at risk. However, most of their time is devoted to

assessment. There was also concern about the inflexibility of the assessment

procedure: for example, a recommendation was not funded because it arrived

a day late (even though posted on the same day as another recommendation

which did arrive and was funded). Fortunately an alternative source of

funding was located for this student - but the school's own budget had

to be used to supplement support for him.

"You more or less

can't get funding for children with extreme emotional problems - unless

they're about to kill someone or have done it. By the time you get them

assessed and get their parents to understand there's a problem, they've

got to get to Bairnsdale to the child mental health unit . It can take

12 months to get a child assessed for emotional funding. What happens

to them in the meantime? What happens to the school and their peers in

the classroom? This impacts especially on a small school where there are

not a lot of adults in the school to take the load."

"For a severe language

disorder child you get 0.3 of a teacher aide - which is approximately

$8,000 a year to run their program. That's all right to help them with

their language work but if they've got problems with social skills and

things like that and you need to get them out of the classroom it's not

going to cover that. Someone has to find the money for that. Often it's

the school. If they are Koorie we can sometimes access money through DETYA.

But for ongoing problems it's very hard to get funding."

Concern was also

expressed about failure to pick up severe language disorders; students

are not identified until their behaviour breaks down in the secondary

system. At least part of the reason is that this disorder has only recently

been recognised and there are few people trained to assess for it. "They

say there's about 20% who could have severe language disorders. So we're

only looking at the tip of the iceberg."

"In the Catholic

system our funding comes just from the Commonwealth. We don't get any

State funding at all. Just one child at the secondary college might be

getting $24,000 for the year. Our total budget for all the children

- about 8 or so on the books a couple of years ago - was $24,000. We had

two girls who were quadriplegics who couldn't toilet or feed themselves.

Now one's in Year 12 just finishing her exams and one's in Year 11. We

got them through by using parental help. So we do advise some parents

that their kids are going to be better off at the secondary college where

they can access State funding. They're not really free to choose the schooling

they want; where maybe other siblings have gone."

Students with disabilities

"My son is profoundly

deaf. The language he understands is Auslan. He can't hear anything and

has no speech. I can't praise his school highly enough for what they're

doing for him. But the end result is that at the moment a very intelligent

Grade 2 child is being educated by people whose language level would be

that of a 2 or 3 year old. Because their signing skills just aren't there.

The integration money is only enough to pay integration aide wages. To

get people who have high level language skills you need to offer interpreter

wages. But they just won't allow that. He's given the highest level of

funding on the disabilities/impairments program. He also has cerebral

palsy which is why he gets the highest level. His physical needs are great

as well as his linguistic and educational needs. It's not his fault. He

still has the right to the education that the other kids do. But I have

to say that a lot of his education is provided at home.

"His physical needs

are a priority for the school. The integration aides are well trained

for that. The same people, though, are expected to be his educators. That

would be a rare combination with the result that he's getting only a very

basic communication that he's way past years ago."

Counselling services

In Orbost this year

3 parents and one secondary student have died. "We had to call on counselling

for the kids. We used every person we could possibly drag in. Everyone

was really willing to come. But it took so much time to organise. We set

up the counselling in our school for the kids. But we ended up with parents

needing it and neighbours. We were a full-on counselling site for the

whole community. The parents had nowhere else to go - we had all the counsellors.

We also found that teachers and integration aides had to counsel the parents

when the counsellors were occupied. They couldn't get on and do their

jobs until they dealt with the crisis. It's when a crisis occurs that

we really notice when we're under-resourced. We get that done but there's

no follow-up because the services go somewhere else to do their emergency

work."

"Within an hour's

drive of Cann River there is not one qualified counsellor."

Student Services

based at Bairnsdale Secondary College: 3 psychologists/ probationary psychs

and 2 speech pathologists: more are needed, they are difficult to attract

and difficult to retain. Usually only one year contracts are offered.

Regional disability assessment and counselling staff have to travel very

large distances between schools where they are required to provide support

to students. "Getting to students who have intensive needs is a real issue

for us." Tubbut, on the border, is the most remote primary school in Victoria.

"It's not serviced during the winter months - you wouldn't drive up there

in winter." "In small towns it is difficult for students to access counselling

and this is compounded by their concerns about confidentiality."

"Support services

in the community are not there. You can wait 6 weeks for an appointment

with a psychiatrist. The nearest pediatrician to Bairnsdale is in Sale.

Lifeline has had drastic funding cuts. We have youth homelessness, alcoholism,

gambling addiction, domestic violence. Half of our students' families

are on the education maintenance allowance. There's a multiplicity of

problems but way, way below the staffing levels in support systems to

cope with them."

Koorie students

"We find that children

often have to share the teachers aide time that's been allocated to them

with other children. So that child doesn't get what they're entitled to.

It's quite a few children. They've been assessed as needing an aide, including

children who take epileptic seizures. They don't get enough one-on-one

time even though it's been allocated to them. Our kids continue to be

disadvantaged."

"Some of our students

have been asked to leave and not come back until next year. And they're

in Year 7 and Year 8. But I'm appalled with a lot of Koorie parents. They

need their fathers' direction and they're not getting it. We need some

parenting courses. They're taking their hands of their responsibilities

and then the kids' behaviour puts them in the court system. And they turn

up to court on their own. Our Koorie community really needs support within

itself as well."

Teacher recruitment

"We're looking at

a teacher shortage of fairly high proportions within a couple of years.

Already we're finding it difficult to attract graduates. In our situation,

because we've got falling student numbers, we really have to wait until

census time in February to work out how many teachers we can afford to

have on our staff. You're really left with those who are willing to come

or making do with people who prefer to do casual relief teaching - bullying

them to come and teach for the year. Once teachers get into a small school

they don't have security of employment, often, because of the contract

system. They could be really fantastic but you can't guarantee them employment

for the following year. So they're going to apply for everything at the

end of the year before and leave."

The meeting was told

that the typical teaching contract is for one year with some for only

6 months or even less. One secondary teacher who has been qualified for

5 years is on her 20th contract. "That doesn't engender any commitment

in young teachers to schools." Schools avoid paying staff during Xmas

holidays, too, by employing them from February to December only and then

re-hiring them the following February.

"Teachers are employed

for a period of time. They respond to individual school advertisements.

Often at the end of a year you might advertise for someone for Term 1

only because you don't know how your numbers will line up for the year.

It's very hard to attract someone from Melbourne to Orbost or Mallacoota

for three months knowing there may not be a job at the end. If a teacher

works in the school for two years in a row and get a contract for the

following year, they can then become ongoing. They can teach at schools

at 10 years nearly around the area and still be contract teachers. They

get their increments, but it's a career thing."

"The other problem

we have is that we get first year out teachers applying for jobs and we

might have half a dozen applying - but when we come to interview they

won't turn up because they've already got jobs in Melbourne. They don't

want to come. We're just too far away."

"Since contracting

came in and since the budgeting came in where schools could choose to

appoint more teachers at lesser pay, remote areas like Swifts Creek are

definitely disadvantaged. What tends to happen, especially in the secondary

school, is that a young teacher will be there a year and after that is

gone and there's a changeover. It doesn't offer much socially for young

teachers anyway. In the past it was a step up for a family man who would

come in with a young family in his mid-20s and would stay in the district

for at least 3 years. There would be a house provided and the family would

become part of the district."

"We had a teacher

who was a very good teacher of German and she had to reapply for her job

every year, hoping there'd be money for it. Eventually she said "I want

to get on with my life. I can't buy a house or a car." And we lost her."

"In the past there

was a statewide transfer system so surplus teachers could move on. That

no longer exists. Schools are on a global budget and directly employ their

staff. They can't go over their staffing budget. So they keep 25-30% of

their staff on contracts so that they can shift them off depending on

student numbers and changes in curriculum needs."

There are no incentives

to attract teachers to rural schools. "The schools might have the discretion

to offer incentives but they really can't because their budgets are so

stretched."

Professional development

"We do get some rurality

funding - which does make a difference - if you're of a certain size.

It's State funding. But we get the same amount per teacher for professional

development as someone in the city. So from that PD bucket we not only

have to pay for their registration, we have to pay for travel to get there,

usually accommodation. So it automatically reduces the opportunities for

teachers to be developed in the area of their profession. It also limits

what they can then offer in the classroom and that's a disadvantage for

the children. Rurality funding might provide an extra teacher or a bus

to take the children on excursions. But it doesn't address that problem

of bringing the best quality into the classroom."

"An absolutely typical

example. I do a lot of counselling and I wanted to attend a course on

suicide counselling. But it was on a Wednesday afternoon from 4-6pm in

Melbourne over 4 weeks. It takes me 4 hours to get to Melbourne."

"I was asked to bring

4 people to a state-wide meeting in Melbourne next week - a 9-5 meeting

- and no accommodation was being offered because "It's only a one-day

thing". I'd have to get up at 4am to get there and one of the people I

was going to bring lives even further away and would have to get up at

3am."

Travel vs distance

education

"I'm very concerned

about children in rural areas being bussed to primary school and secondary

school. The children around Wairewa spend almost 3 hours a day on the

bus. The school is 25 minutes away by car but the bus goes all around.

Three hours is actually the criteria for some benefits. They travel just

a few minutes under. I've seen the effects on the children over the years:

tiredness, lack of motivation and other impacts. A viable alternative

is correspondence school. But it's not promoted by principals and a lot

of parents are afraid to take it on. I think there's also a lack of funds

for correspondence. It seems the budget has continually been cut."

A participant whose

family lived 100km outside Bairnsdale for several years described her

daughter's education experience during that period. She spent half an

hour each way, each day on the bus to primary school. (Her younger brother

was travelling the same distance each day to kindergarten.) "But when

she went to secondary school our only options were to board her in Bairnsdale

with strangers or for her to do correspondence. We chose the latter. The

quality of the education they provided at that time was wonderful. They

did have a library, good communication with the student and good support.

(I have heard, though, that their budget has been severely cut since and

that that personal communication that they had with the students has gone.)

However, my daughter found she was very isolated from her social group

and she got very depressed about half way through Year 8. That's when

we moved into Bairnsdale. We moved away again later and she boarded in

Years 9 and 10. But she was missing the family support. After that we

ran two homes so that she could live at home for her senior years. That

put a lot of strain on the family finances. Rural families who are strongly

motivated to educate their children put an enormous effort into that.

There's not a great deal of support for those families."

"Children under 9

who live 5 km from the nearest bus stop are entitled to distance education

but when they turn 9 they have to go to school unless they live 10 km

away. That seems a bit crazy to me."

"At the age of 9

they have to completely change their way of life. What's really important

isn't the distance, it's the time they spend travelling."

Cultural exposure

"Lack of exposure

and access to cultural experiences could impact on the school. It could

limit their vision and their ability to make choices during their education

and when they leave school. I think this is a major difference between

students from the city and the country. Our current resources don't allow

us to take children down to Melbourne nearly as much as was happening

10 years ago. We encourage our students to move away from the area either

to do further study or for jobs. But a lot of them are staying on in the

town, not risking going out, and they're unemployed. There's huge unemployment

here and a big drug problem. I think it's got a lot to do with the fact

that the young people get trapped here.

"Occasionally now

the students go down to Melbourne for a day - say for a football game.

But 10 years ago we had a program where the Year 10s went down for 3 days.

That got knocked on the head. There's no official program for the students

to go down to Melbourne."

"Kids whose families

don't have relatives in Melbourne have often not been to Melbourne even

by the age of 14 or 15. They're very frightened of the city - their parents

are too. They don't know how to get around in the city."

Income support for

tertiary education

"Our assets just

put us right on the limit (for Youth Allowance) so that we are unable

to get any assistance for our daughter's tertiary education in Melbourne.

Several years ago - when it was still Austudy - and we were a declared

drought area, Centrelink was initially unaware of their own regulation

that in drought conditions certain parts of the assets test would be overlooked.

That enabled us to get Austudy for a short period of time. With the change

to Youth Allowance we've found that that allowance for drought-affected

areas has been deleted. Both of us have to find off-farm work now to support

our daughter at Uni."

"Last year our daughter

got a federal scholarship which paid her HECS fees but this year the government

has dropped that. It's ironic because she is studying occupational therapy

- just the kind of qualification that country areas are crying out for.

And our next daughter plans to study nursing. They will both come back

to country hospitals but they're not getting any support to do that study.

And other country kids won't be able to afford to do those kinds of studies."

"You have to pay

for your student concession cards now - $125."

"A study by Melbourne

Uni found that it costs about $8,000 a year to keep a student at home

going to University and something like $15,000 for a student sharing a

flat. That's probably a bit on the high side but an increasing number

of students say they will apply to go to Uni but they'll defer. They hope

to work and save some money to put themselves through or help their family

out. There's not enough income support for rural kids doing tertiary study.

Scholarships are increasingly going to kids from private schools who get

the highest scores. Increasingly I hear young students considering tertiary

study by distance education. That's very difficult for young people and

it takes away from the social experience of going to University."

"I've done Year 12

this year and I've seen a lot of people at my year level nearly destroying

their attempts to complete Year 12 because of their part-time jobs. They've

been too busy trying to make money to go to University to finish their

work requirements or study for exams."

Tertiary education

"Monash Gippsland

was established as a college of advanced education in the 1960s. Since

Monash has taken over the campus, it increasingly treats it as another

metropolitan campus. The 7 different faculties on campus see their role

as promoting their own, individual, interests. In the last 3 years Universities

have suffered funding cuts of 25%. It was easier to implement the cuts

in faculties in regional universities rather than right across the board.

That disadvantages regional students. The whole ethos of a huge metropolitan

university is to maintain standards, to raise TER scores, which means

that tertiary students who can't afford to go to Melbourne miss out altogether.

We have asked Dr Kemp whether the government has a policy about regional

campuses and were told that there was no such policy and that it's up

to each university as to how they treat their regional campuses. Monash

has now appointed a working party to look into the directions in which

its only regional campus is heading. The only concession the University

makes to regional students is to offer bridging courses on the Gippsland

campus to help them to cope with University studies."

"Mature age students

- those who survive the distance education process - do extremely well.

But school leavers don't do very well at all. They don't cope very well."

"Our son is studying

at University in Sydney. He's in his third year. We've just found out

that he's not been doing too well. The main reason is his disconnection

and dislocation from the family. He's admitted home-sickness is his main

problem. Being such a long distance away we see him only at session break

if he can afford to come home and at Xmas if he can afford to come home.

That depends on his part-time job as well. And we can very rarely ever

get up there to see him. Accommodation is incredibly expensive up there.

Distance is a very big disadvantage to tertiary students. One minute they're

at school and the next minute they're gone."

"It's not just the

new study. It's the whole thing - new friends, loss of family, lack of

transport. It's really tough. They get so lonely."

Race relations

"We have a very big

problem here with Indigenous-white Australian relations. We have a large

Indigenous population in this area. Some give the rest a bad name. So

we just say 'blackfella - hate him'."

"Many students feel

the Koories get so much advantage that they [the white students] are being

discriminated against. They feel that the Koorie students get away with

things they wouldn't."

"I don't think you'd

see a black kid in a job in this town. Previously they might have been

employed in the timber industry or on the railways."

One Koorie Educator

reported having been turned away from the primary school at 8 years of

age. "I must have been considered a real terrorist. The climate is much

the same today. We want to see our Koorie people in offices and supermarkets

and shops in this town."

The father of a Philippino

child confirmed that at the State school he was the victim of racist abuse.

At the private school where he is now there is very strict discipline

and racist comments are not tolerated.

"Our community is

very lacking in cultural diversity and the whole community is very intolerant.

We try to redress that by providing the widest education we can at the

secondary college. We have policies to try to address racism but you can't

catch every incident. We know Koories can't get jobs in the town. We have

a work experience program for Koorie students to get them out into the

community. It's really hard because a lot of them don't have the confidence

to do that. Every time someone does it it's a model for other kids to

follow them."

"At the secondary

college the issue of racism has only become an issue in the last few years

because Koorie students are tending to stay longer at school and have

a greater presence. Previously they'd leave halfway through Year 7 or

by Year 8. There would be only half a dozen Koorie students in the school

whereas now there are 60-70. Similarly in the community, if Koorie people

are pushed to the margins and not present in the town, racism doesn't

come up."

"On a positive note,

the Aboriginal Tutorial Assistance Scheme is really working. Students

who have even been assessed as disabled, with one-on-one tutorials they

come up to the average level for their age group whereas previously they

could have been several years behind." There was some criticism, however,

of the fact that ATAS funding can only be used before or after school

or in free study periods for VCE students.

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